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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212839420" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212839420">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:19)</a>:</h4>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212840832" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212840832">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="2907">@T-release</span> meeting!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212840885" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212840885">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="120823">@DPC</span> triage checkin?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212840925" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212840925">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>had a meeting on wednesday, Camelid has joined the team, nothing much was discussed besides that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212840991" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212840991">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841086" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841086">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>moving on, we have a clippy ICE fix nominated for stable backport: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/77750">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/77750</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841142" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841142">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="138448">@cuviper</span> -- do you know if we expect an LLVM 11 backport to stable this cycle? (i.e., does it make sense to wait for that)?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841213" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841213">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I wasn't planning on that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841233" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841233">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841378" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841378">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>Maybe to beta once 11 is final, but I wouldn't touch stable unless we know it fixes something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841389" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841389">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>makes sense</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841439">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is anyone opposed to stable-accepting this (but not issuing a point release at this time)?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841454" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841454">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>wouldn't stable-accept be done by the clippy team?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841475" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841475">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>er, well, I think they're already fine with it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841497" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841497">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I just mean "are we okay including this if there is in fact a point release"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841513" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841513">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe not important to talk about now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841793" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841793">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> await</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841798" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841798">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841821" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841821">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>emojis broke</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841916" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841916">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>On the triage thing? Looks fine on android</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841920" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841920">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>hm, working for me</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841941" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841941">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think zulip's emojis require refreshing sometimes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841952" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841952">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>:(</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212841985" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212841985">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe it's because I add them in parallel or something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842012">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I should file an issue, though reproducing it is hard</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842135" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842135">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, moving on -- I don't personally have any sync discussion, but wanted people to be aware of <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/blog.rust-lang.org/pull/706">https://github.com/rust-lang/blog.rust-lang.org/pull/706</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842168">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>and <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/77725">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/77725</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842184" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842184">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>if you have thoughts, please leave those on the two PRs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842333" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842333">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842335" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842335">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to bring up?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if you're ready to end the meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842445" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842445">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>(more UI fun, it flipped the emoji order while I was pressing mine...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842552" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842552">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:44)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> take it away</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842719" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842719">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>One thing I wanted to bring up, was what would people think about using the meeting after a release be a mini-retrospective on the release itself?</p>
<p>There’s often smaller things that come to mind after a release that don’t feel appropriate as their own topic.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842848" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842848">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do you want that as an immediate post-mortem, or maybe in a week so it settles?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842877" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842877">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>What I was specifically thinking about this time was that I’ve a few comments expressing concern about using LLVM rc in the release, which to me says we should probably document our LLVM policy better so it’s more clear to users why it’s that way.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842929" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842929">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is there a reason you expect sync discussion to be useful on this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842942" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842942">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>Generally speaking I'm all for it though</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212842958" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212842958">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., policy or bringing things up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843023" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843023">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think a page on forge would be great to help (write) document our llvm policy</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843073" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843073">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:48)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well, for LLVM 11 in particular, I would say it was only early because we wanted the compile time gain. In general, I'd rather wait for its release.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843111">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>And we did hope that 11 would be final in time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843118" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843118">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>weren't we running off master until a couple llvm releases ago?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843219" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843219">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah I think so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843230" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843230">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>or semi-master?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843284" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843284">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116122">@simulacrum</span> The reason I think it’s specifically useful as sync is for members to make comments about a release without committing to anything. Another example was you and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> mentioned delaying or changing the release cycle this time, I would be interested in knowing more about that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843289" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> cuviper <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843289">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>We were using matter snapshots, yes, somewhat arbitrarily</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843331" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843331">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:50)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> I guess I would find it helpful to synthesize my thoughts async more on that sort of thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843379" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843379">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>like, I don't feel prepared to discuss things in detail :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843383" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843383">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> the reason for that was we had three major regressions like until monday or tuesday</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843432" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843432">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>if I actually wanted to delay the release I'd have pinged the whole release team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843660" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843660">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Okay, but is there a feeling that six weeks is too short now?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843688" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843688">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>dunno</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843700" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843700">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd need to think more about it :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843707" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843707">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah not sure personally, I think <em>maybe</em>, but maybe not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843759">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>i think we just need to be prepared with a plan in case regressions show up late</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843800" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843800">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know that we can be, dealing with them always feels very case-by-case to me at least</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843814" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> DPC <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843814">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>agreed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843912" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843912">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah to get back to the original topic, I think we could do something like a very loose discussion on the Friday after a release, and have a more detailed discussion from that the following week.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212843955" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212843955">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't personally have more thoughts on this, but I would suggest <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="219696">@XAMPPRocky</span> (or others) that if you feel there's outstanding questions we start issue threads on rust-lang/release-team, I would find that easier to respond to and process</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212844260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> XAMPPRocky <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212844260">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>That’s all from me.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212844320" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212844320">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-meeting then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212844321" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212844321">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to bring up?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if you're ready to end the meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212844477" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> simulacrum <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212844477">(Oct 09 2020 at 15:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, let's call it here. thanks everyone! o/</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting%202020%2010%2009/near/212884910" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/241545-t-release/topic/meeting.202020.2010.2009.html#212884910">(Oct 09 2020 at 23:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>just chiming in to say I am grateful for your work in keeping the release train uninterrupted (i.e. release was not delayed), and that I am a great fan of the 6-week release schedule</p>



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